i do, do all of those things and she does them back just no grand finally. example lastnight we got my mother to watch the kids for a few hours. so we went bowling which we havent done in a few years, we had a few drinks, we flirted kissed, gropped each other any given chance, went home I gave my son a bath put him to sleep, when i was done with that the baby had fallen asllep on her own so my SO went and took a shower and came down stairs and asked to put lotion on her feet (which i love to do cuz of the reaction i get just completely relaxed and she says her head gets tingley) continued up her thighs with a lotion massage teased a little by just barely brushing the area between her pussy and thigh, i could tell she loved it she just was kinda limp and relaxed, i had her put her foot on my cock while I was putting lotion on her (hoping she would maybe kinda rub on my cock or somthing just some acknolegment from her that it felt good)and to see what i was doing with a good view of her. which that made me hot as hell. well about an hour later we went to bed (like 2 hours earlier than I usually do). i continued to to touch her lightly with my finger tips as she loves on her stomach, thighs,arms well basicaly everywhere but her pussy (which i would have loved to do but i wasnt getting much reaction besides ("that feels good"). then after about an hour longer my arm started to get tired so i slowed down then she placed her hand on my chest and rubbed it for like 4 seconds and by then i was kinda tired of no reaction so i just tapered off and stopped and she fell asleep about ten minues later and thats it im not sure how much more sensual or touchy i could have been in that paticular situation to gert things going. i dont think its the baby thing because when we do have sex it is good for both of us just (enough for her to call me like 4-5 times the next day to say hi or to say thing about the night b4(which gets me going again but not her) not as often as i would like, im 28 but i feel like an 18 year old as far as want and need goes i think im a nympho J/K ill even leave her text's or somthing explaining i cant wait to lick on her wet juicy pussy and taste her again etc..... all i ususally get is an oh yea or somthing she doesnt play back (im just confused and frankly tired of trying with no responses) sorry to keep blabbering Thank you alot for the advice and or ideas, im not knocking them just not sure how to get her to want sex more Thanks, that i have not tried but i def will give it my all and hope to enjoy each other while doing it, thank you alot your comments and advice are appreciated