FWB changed the rules, what would you do?

[4thtwin]

Think back to the Craigslist days when you could hit up a girl online for a casual hook up.  No strings attached or anything like that.  You'd post an ad, make a connection, communicate and invite the person over or meet up somewhere.  I knew of a few sites that catered to that such thing.  Well, when CL went bust, at least the casual encounters section, I found myself on a few other sites.  I'm a 52 year old AA male and that was a number of years ago.  On these other sites I met a few nice girls and set up arrangements with them.  Arrangements meaning P2P (Pay to Play).  I figured that not everything in life is free and things were moving towards a P2P arrangement even with CL.  Most of those girls now wanted some sort of compensation to give up the goods, so to speak.  I met a few girls on a few sites.  Some panned out nicely and others fizzled quickly.  One girl I met on CL she and I still mess around today.  She's a bit younger than me, in her early 30s and I'd say we've been hooking up for about 5 or 6 years.  Our arrangement was this.  I'd pay her a little bit of money, usually around $50 or $60 and I could come have all the fun with her I wanted.  She has a boyfriend but this is how she made a little bit of side money.  Of course he doesn't know.  During the years of us knowing each other she's had another child by him.  For a while afterwards she was on birth control and the arrangement was that I could fuck her raw and cum in her for $60.  Cool, she got what she wanted and I got what I wanted.  Sex was great.  She had an apartment in a neighboring city so it's not like I would just run into her on the streets so again, it worked out fine.  That was until she lost her place and moved to my city with her sister.  Still no problems.  Most of our hook ups were usually in my SUV at this point since she didn't have her own place.  Still had the boyfriend though and was still on birth control.  In the past 6 months or so she has decided to come off birth control because she said she was tired of it making her gain weight.  When we met she was only about maybe 110 with a nice thin frame.  And even during the birth control years she maybe got up to 120.  She never gained a lot of weight.  Now the arrangement is that we still hook up and I can still fuck her raw but I just can't cum in her anymore for fear of getting pregnant but the price has dropped like $20.  Now I just pay her $40 per visit.  Again, we're not talking about some high priced or high class escort.   Just a girl who needs a little with extra money here or there or needed a few dollars for groceries.  The past few times when we'd hook up she'd hint around asking what she could do to get the price back to $60.  I'd look at her and ask if she planned to go back on birth control?  She'd always say no.  I mean, at that point we are at a stalemate.  I'll tell you something that will put weight on your quickly. . . . getting pregnant.  I'm not risking getting you pregnant so I will continue to just keep pulling out.  

Another girl I met some time ago was much younger than the first girl.  She was probably 19 when we met.  She's about 24 or 25 now and we still hook up currently.  Sort of the same situation.  I'd pay her to hook up.  She was living with her dad when we met so again, I'd pick her up and we'd drive down the street from her house to a quiet spot and have some fun.  All was good until she too had a baby by a guy.  Fast forward to now.  She has a place with her mom right down the street from her dad and whenever I want some fun she'd have to sneak me into her place and be quiet in case mom is there and sleeping.  She works odd hours.  Other times it's not a problem.  It's gotten to the point with this girl that whenever she wats to get off she'll call me and I'll go perform oral on her until she's satisfied then she'll send me home.   But if I want to get off then I'll have to pay.    There have been times when she'd call me asking where I was and could I meet her somewhere because she's horny or she'd ask me to swing by her place because her clit is throbbing and she needs some relief.  During the discussion I'll ask if I could get off too and she always says yes, to get me there.  And usually once she's done she stands up and gets dressed leaving me high and dry.  I don't force the issue, I just hug her and leave.  Again, very sweet girl I long talking to and hanging out with from time to time.  

I do not have a problem slipping either of these girls a few dollars to help them out, that's not my issue.  I guess my issue is that they want to change the arrangement but still expect the same fair.  First girl:  when she was on BC it was not a problem with me finishing in her as long as I paid her what she asked.  But with the BC she gained a few lbs.  Now she no longer wants to be on BC but still wants the same amount of money.  Second girl:  loves hooking up and getting off but she'll call me when she wants to get off and I help her out for free, but when I want to get off I have to pay.  Again, both nice girls but I'm just wondering if it's time to find someone who is more consistent.

What do you think?

[Lonely and divorced]

I say you better use a condom. I also don’t feel you should be paying for sex. ☀️

[4thtwin]

Lonely, based on what?  I shouldn't be paying for sex why?  It's a mutual arrangement that has been going on for a number of years with both females.  It's worked out great for the most part but now it seems the girls are wanting more but giving up less.  I don't mind slipping each of them a few dollars.  Again, these aren't high class escorts you have to arrange everything through an agency and spend hundreds of dollars to meet up with them.  I don't mind.  I just don't like being taken.  The second, younger, girl loves to get off and often she'll send me pics of her pussy where she has been masturbating or she'll text me to say she's horny and could I come by.  My thing is this.  If I text her that I'm horny and can I swing by there's always a payment involved.  But when she's horny I get her off for free and not expect payment.  I'm afraid that if I start asking her for payment to get her off while I get nothing then she's going to cut me off completely.  First girl is really cool too.  When she was on BC and I was finishing in her, paying $60 wasn't an issue.  Now that she decided she no longer wants to be on BC she wants to change the arrangement but still get $60.  She too will hmu asking what I'm doing but with her I know she loves the way I go down on her.  She said her man never goes down on her the way I do.  She's a thinner girl and even when she was on BC she never really got up to more than 120.  She is always complaining that she wants a bigger butt.  I told her I love her cute little petite butt.  Since coming off BC I have noticed her weight go back down.  I guess my thinking is that if you want a bigger butt then stay on BC so you can gain some more weight AND still be getting the full $60 for the hookup.  It's sort of a win win for you.

[4thtwin]

17 minutes ago, Dastardly said:

I get approached by women all the time and without exception they have prostituted themselves from the start and I tell them all the same thing, if we were friends I might help you when I could but friend is the first word in fwb!  Of course that's why I'm involuntarily celibate 🤣

Yes, over the years we've managed to establish a friendship.  But bottom line, it's still sex for payment.  Let me give this analogy.  You buy a certain size item from a store.  You know other stores have the same item but you like this store.  All of a sudden they offer the same item but in a smaller packaging but still wanted you to pay the same price.  Again, other stores have the original item.  I may cost you more but you still like going to your familiar store.  What do you do?

[Lonely and divorced]

Why 4thtwin? Because it’s like they are prostitutes and your a John. That’s the way I see it.☀️