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My wife sucks dick like a porn star...but won't and will never swallow (oh well, could be worse). I was curious about how to still make things great at the end and starting thinking about alternative finishes that could perhaps equal (or even outweigh) swallowing. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what you think is best. Here is what i came up with (no pun intended):

a) standard hand finish at end of oral - at the first taste cum, it goes right to hand finish. For me, this is a so-so finish for the most part, as the sensation is not as intense at the end. However, i must admit that i do think it is hot when i am spurting cum everwhere. The sensation is not as good, but the visual is great, especially if the volume of cum is high.

B) spit most of it out, finish rest by hand - this is what i am most accustomed to; it is REALLY intense at first, but again, once it goes to all hand action, the sensation is not as good. Also, having her spitting huge gobs of cum on my stomach is not too hot.

c) somehow keep it all in mouth, spit at very end - if possible (some men cum a ton, which can make this impractical), this is a very intense feeling for the guy, and to me feels exactly the same as swallowing--i can't tell the difference, honestly. great sensation, but the spitting at the end is unattractive.

d) spit early, then go back in - i have personally never experienced this, but i think it would feel wonderful if she would spit, then continue to finish me orally, then spit again. this would likely feel outstanding...but again, the spitting part is unattractive.

e) "advanced" hand finish at end of oral - i love giving her facials, or pearl neckless, both of which are very hot and visually arousing; these are some of the most intense big o's i have had, even though they are by hand, as the act is kinda naughty and porno-ish. i'd even say that some of these have felt better than the swallowing experience, as i was really mentally into the process and very aroused.

f)...no idea...i am sure i missed some things.

In the end, I am not married to a swallower...which sucks in a way, but it is not the end of the world. While swallowing feels amazing...there is really no visual stimulus, which is something that is very appealing to me. So if i had my personal choice of her swallowing vs. a facial and/or pearl neckless... i'd probably struggle with the decision, as they could both be equally hot experiences.

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good for you!

i guess my point with this post is that....swallowing, or lack thereof, doesn't really make or break anything. after reading all the posts here, you'd think that non-swallowers have a terrible sex life, as do their mates. yes...the sensation of having my cum swallowed is amazing. however....there are other amazing things....several other....and swallowing doesn't really provide for much visual excitement.

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I am not too partial. If I cum in her mouth I am happy. It just seems to me I am at my peak of excitement longer when I get a blow job.

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YOu are all missing the point. You may not care whether she swallows or not, but any Prostitute will tell you that if wives gave their husbands blow jobs that were any good, they would put prostitutes out of business! The vast majority of johns are interested in blow jobs, and with the woman swallowing it.

The missing element in relationships when a woman doesn't swallow is a feeling of acceptance that the man lacks and may ultimately resent not getting from his partner. Women want men to do oral to them, and you cannot escape tasting and swallowing some of her juices, and " cum ", and for many men, not swallowing is the ultimate rejection, ie., " You may be my husband, but you are not good enough for me to swallow your cum, or suck your dick!"

A woman who gives great head can take any man away from a woman who doesn't, and vice versa. Think about it. A lot of men go through years of marriage thinking its okay if their wive doesn't give them blow jobs, or swallow their cum. I was there with my first marriage. I was totally thrilled and awed to tear when my second wife not only gave me a bj, but did deep throat, and held me so I came down her throat! Then she licked her lips and kissed me. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I actually cried later that night, out of sheer joy.

I disagree.

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i disagree as well. sure...resentment is possible, however, not entirely necessary.

also, there is a big difference between WON'T VS. CAN'T when referring to swallowing...some women just can't do it or can't handle it.

finally...i have met several women that swallowed and were FANTASTIC at it...but were terrible lovers, and poor mates.

in the end, its importance is very limited.

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As we have already had the swallower vs. non-swallower discussion here, and I got my ass blazed for saying that all women CAN swallow - cause let's face it, all women can! Can your women swallow a beer, food, water? Then she can swallow cum. PERIOD!

It is a matter of WON'T! Plain and simple. Oh I know, she has tried it, it makes her gag, etc. What does that mean, really? I had one woman suggest that if you don't like sushi, and it made you gag, would you keep trying to eat it? YES, if it turned my hubby on to all ends - yes I would!!!!

When you suggest that she "can't" you are allowing a cop-out my friend! I am sorry to be so harsh, but it is true. Do you honestly think that the first time I swallowed, when I was like 17 or something, that I licked my lips and said YUM-O? Of course NOT! I thought that cum was slightly icky, salty, not THAT bad, but when I looked up and saw the look of satisfaction and absolute joy on the face of the man I did it to - well, that was enough motivation for me to continue!

I have to say, I agree that while you can be a swallower and be a terrible lover - I am not a terrible lover, and I am a swallower - both because I took the time to LEARN, PRACTICE and find out what my lover's wanted, needed and liked. As a result, I have become a damn good lover - if I do say so myself.

Now, I have to also agree with Howard here. Statistically (and I love the statistics cause they are facts) the number 1 reason why men go to a prostitute is to get a BJ where she will swallow their cum, and their SO is not doing it at home. That is just a fact.

So, while it might not be important to you (yet your post here seems to indicate that it is at least a little on your mind) while not important to you, it is definitely important and differential to many, many, MANY men.

So, with that I say, while there are other options as to what to do with the cum. I do believe, in MY OWN MIND, that nothing tops swallowing for sensation and overall erotic value. I will also say, for the record, there are times when squirting on tits or giving a facial can be erotic too - but the sensation of finishing off yourself in that matter can't be as sensual as having your woman deepthroat you and swallow all your cum like it was the most delicious gift you could give her, all while she looks up at you with her eyes and begs, "more baby, give me all your hot, sweet cum!"

My 2 cents worth here....

Also, to quote a friend and to add a bit, "any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that can't and WON'T!!"

Mikayla ;)

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As we have already had the swallower vs. non-swallower discussion here, and I got my ass blazed for saying that all women CAN swallow - cause let's face it, all women can! Can your women swallow a beer, food, water? Then she can swallow cum. PERIOD!

It is a matter of WON'T! Plain and simple. Oh I know, she has tried it, it makes her gag, etc. What does that mean, really? I had one woman suggest that if you don't like sushi, and it made you gag, would you keep trying to eat it? YES, if it turned my hubby on to all ends - yes I would!!!!

When you suggest that she "can't" you are allowing a cop-out my friend! I am sorry to be so harsh, but it is true. Do you honestly think that the first time I swallowed, when I was like 17 or something, that I licked my lips and said YUM-O? Of course NOT! I thought that cum was slightly icky, salty, not THAT bad, but when I looked up and saw the look of satisfaction and absolute joy on the face of the man I did it to - well, that was enough motivation for me to continue!

I have to say, I agree that while you can be a swallower and be a terrible lover - I am not a terrible lover, and I am a swallower - both because I took the time to LEARN, PRACTICE and find out what my lover's wanted, needed and liked. As a result, I have become a damn good lover - if I do say so myself.

Now, I have to also agree with Howard here. Statistically (and I love the statistics cause they are facts) the number 1 reason why men go to a prostitute is to get a BJ where she will swallow their cum, and their SO is not doing it at home. That is just a fact.

So, while it might not be important to you (yet your post here seems to indicate that it is at least a little on your mind) while not important to you, it is definitely important and differential to many, many, MANY men.

So, with that I say, while there are other options as to what to do with the cum. I do believe, in MY OWN MIND, that nothing tops swallowing for sensation and overall erotic value. I will also say, for the record, there are times when squirting on tits or giving a facial can be erotic too - but the sensation of finishing off yourself in that matter can't be as sensual as having your woman deepthroat you and swallow all your cum like it was the most delicious gift you could give her, all while she looks up at you with her eyes and begs, "more baby, give me all your hot, sweet cum!"

My 2 cents worth here....

Also, to quote a friend and to add a bit, "any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that can't and WON'T!!"

Sounds like you to not feel strongly about this. I don't care just long as she brings me to climax during the bj. What makes BJs so good for me is the time of intense pleasure is extended; Intercourse is more immediate for me and sometimes I prefer that. What happens to the sperm after that I don't care, and with my asawa, I don't even know. However, when I fantasize about doing her, the look of the sperm dripping from her lips has been one of my biggest turnons.

Mikayla ;)

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Also, to quote a friend and to add a bit, "any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that can't and WON'T!!"

Mikayla

Sorry Mikayla and Howard but considering the agruement here on swallowing Can't vs. Won"t I felt the quote needed to be changed to:

Any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that CAN but WON'T.

Just to add that as in the past with this topic I am 50/50 on this matter. I do and have swallowed but if I just dont feel like it hubby understands. Its like anything else you dont have to ALWAYS DO IT to enjoy it etc.....I like to change things up so when I do want to swallow and I have hubby going with a great bj what a better surprise ending for him to cum in my mouth......he doesnt ALWAYS expect it and thats what I like.

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:lol: I love the new quote hrnychick!!! I am in total agreement here with Mikayla on this one. Your man allows you to put his most prize jewel in your mouth, which he also enjoys completely. I have said it before and I am gonna have to say it again. Your man when he goes down on you and you cum he continues to eat you out without complaining. So I am having a very hard time understanding why women don't swallow, I mean the look on your SO face when you do it is something that is amazing and knowing that you gave him that type of pleasure is even more of a turn on.

Well I am sure I will catch a little grief here but that is okay. This is only my opinion, I think that spitting it out is ewwwwwy, I mean I know if my SO after I came then I saw him spit it out I think I would be sick. Pearl necklaces aren't bad and facial aren't bad either but me I rather swallow him. :)

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Interesting responses.

My wife has tried to swallow, but has failed each time...but she DID TRY, which I respect. She doesn't like the taste, she gags..etc. however, this is also a person who can't even swallow liquid cold medicine... so the gag reflex is a valid physiological problem for her (yes, i am sure some of it is psychological as well).

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thanks, howard. she wants to keep trying...but i think the repeat failures get us both down emotionally. almost like we are EXPECTING to fail at it again...

i guess the real question is... when do you "throw in the towel" and stop trying and just accept that it won't happen?

i really appreciate her efforts, but don't like repeated failures-- it makes us both feel bad.

if there was an instructional video...i'd get it for her.

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If she really practices to overcome the gag reflex, she will succeed. If she really doesn't WANT to do this, she won't. I think she needs to have a good talk with herself. Why did I get married? How important is it that I make my man so happy he will never look at another woman, even when age and gravity deprive me of my 20 something figure? What am I willing to give up if I don't learn to do this? Does that include my marriage and my husband's love? Those are very hard questions, but I have asked much harder questions of clients who came to me for counseling to try to avoid a divorce, when the manure hits the Air conditioner at home.

Give her lots of encouragement, and make the practicing fun, and a game. Give her small rewards as she reaches certain levels of competence. Let her set out what the reward is going to be. Play! She will not learn to do this with your cock until she can do it with something much thinner and smaller. She will have to work up to your cock's size. Some women think they have to hold something in their throats until they pass out. Of course that is silly, and wrong. Most women who do deep throat rarely hold the guy all the way down for more than 5-10 seconds at the most. Then they back him out, exhale, take a breathe, or 5 while licking his cock, and fondling his balls, before taking a breath and swallowing that cock head again. For most men, even 5 seconds is longer than they can keep from climaxing, so reassure her she doesn't have to have the lungs and stamina of a long distance under water swimmer to do this.

My wife sat with me and read all of these posts, and appreciated everything she read. She said she is dedicated to learning and trying, however, she doesn't know exactly where to start. is there a step by step swallowing tutorial available??? any guidance would be really appreciated.

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A lot of men go through years of marriage thinking its okay if their wive doesn't give them blow jobs, or swallow their cum. I was there with my first marriage.

My fiancee was the same way. No woman he had been with before had ever swallowed his cum. His wife tried, but she actually threw up. The first time he asked me to give him a bj, I didn't really think about what I'd do with the cum. :) Then he told me he was about to cum, and, being the curious type that I am, I swallowed. He was blown away. He kept telling me how no one had ever done that for him. I said, 'why not? You taste really good.' I knew it was a big deal for him because he kept bringing it up, and to this day he will still bring it up. You are right when you say it is about acceptance. About complete trust and love. You would not believe the reaction you get from your man when you swallow. He was so affectionate and loving toward me after I had done that. More so than he had been before.

I also think to myself about these women that say they can't stand the taste. Are you not holding it in your mouth longer when you're trying to find somewhere to spit it out?

If it is the taste that bothers her so much, tell her to move your dick as far back in her throat as she can. I had my fiancee at the back of my throat when he started to cum and kept him there, and I didn't taste a thing. I wouldn't push back to far cuz you could trigger the gag reflex, but it might work better for her that way. Also there are always flavored lubes to make it taste better. Or try having a peppermint or altoid in her mouth. Also, you can watch what you eat to improve the taste. I believe it was said to try more fruit like pineapple. Avoid onions and garlic. :) Definitely. :)

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howard, if things were only that easy. we are really starting from scratch, and while i am not optimistic on our chances with her "learning" how to swallow, i am very pleased that she is trying so hard. we will try tonight...i'll keep you guys posted. she bought altoids, and i have been drinking fruit juice all day. wish us luck. baby steps....

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i think this is a great board...and i think this post has been very helpful for me and my wife. i think that some things that may seem simple or obvious to some, are very complicated and confusing to others. i think we all just have different levels of knowledge and experience--

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As Collective Soul sang.....

Don't scream about,

Don't think aloud,

Turn your head, now, baby,

Just spit me out !!!!!!

My opinion is flat out honesty. Anything that occurs between two lovers is good. A man's cum texture is that of honey. The only difference is that of it's flavor which can be as a result what he's digested that day or so. Cum (as we all know) can be affected by what we put in our mouths and stomaches prior to sex...aka asparagus, agh!!!! If however a man's diet is correct then his cum will be very tasteful, just as in the case of a woman's. I too find offense if it must be rejected. That is an issue between two lovers that should be openly discussed. The old wives tale of cum upsetting a tummy is pure nonsense!

Do unto others as they do unto you !!!

Juz

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Well, just a lil FYI about me and oral sex: I could only swallow if I was laying on my back and he basically "face fucked" me while I was laying on the bed UNTIL I had a car accident that required tubes down my throat. I learned to "relax" those muscles so that I could more easily have the tubes replaced (yes, this happened at least twice that I can remember, could be more) but now I have no problems with oral sex...in fact, its hubby who can't handle the oral...he cums too fast *giggle*

But I find nothing repulsive about a man's cum. Like someone said, its like swallowing honey and she needs to "relax" and enjoy it.

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It's hard to finish sexy when she won't go near your cum. so my guess would be you’d have to try to convince her that the whole swallowing process isn’t too bad.. I might’ve missed it in your post, but dd you say if she ever did it before? If she did it before and had a bad experience, you should ask her why. If it’s the taste, reassure her you’ll eat good things before a planned blow job session so tat it won’t taste as bad. if she hasn’t, then you need to tell her it isn’t so bad.

I used to not swallow, I was terrified of it. I thought I’d puke, I’d gag, I’d hate the taste... But when it all happens, it happens so fast and is over like that, that I didn’t eve know what happened! and before you can even THINK about the taste on your tongue, if there is any at all, you look up and see that wonderous “O” face and all is forgotton.

I think it’s not right for any girl to say they CAN’T swallow and not even try once, since it is not bad at all, especially if you love that person.

But those are my two cents. (: good luck!

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an optimistic update..i think. she tried to swallow last night for the first time---and was able to get one "gulp" down, but then gagged and had to spit the rest out (unfortunately for her, my cum volume is always very high). is this progress? i'd say she swallowed 20%..which is better than 0%, right? she said that if the gag reflex didn't kick in, that she thinks she could have swallowed more. therefore, can i assume her working on desensitizing her gag reflex is now key? also, our positioning is always the same....me laying down, her on top of me on her knees-- not sure if that is best or not. as always, i really appreciate your comments (as does she). thanks.

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Bondage junky, were you laying down or was he laying down. How were yall positioned and how far down on him (inches) were you when you wern't able to taste it. If I can figure out how to do this without tasting or gagging, I'm sure I could swallow. I am a lot better at taking most of him in as it is, but I think I will try the popsickle and the banana trick. Any other suggestions? If I am finally able to get this to work, I will let yall know.

Sorry it took so long to respond, I missed this. :) He lays down and I am on my knees beside him. Perpendicular to him. When he cums I have him on the back of my tongue, right where it starts to curve down my throat. As soon as he tells me he is cuming, I start to swallow. I keep swallowing until he is finished, and honestly I don't taste much. Maybe a little, but then again, as I've said, I love the taste. Hope that helps some.

an optimistic update..i think. she tried to swallow last night for the first time---and was able to get one "gulp" down, but then gagged and had to spit the rest out (unfortunately for her, my cum volume is always very high). is this progress? i'd say she swallowed 20%..which is better than 0%, right? she said that if the gag reflex didn't kick in, that she thinks she could have swallowed more. therefore, can i assume her working on desensitizing her gag reflex is now key? also, our positioning is always the same....me laying down, her on top of me on her knees-- not sure if that is best or not. as always, i really appreciate your comments (as does she). thanks.

I think it's definite progress. My fiancee came one time really hard and it hit the back of my throat and kinda made me gag. That was the only time I've had that problem. It made me a little nervous the next time, so I tried to make sure he wasn't quite so far back in my mouth. Maybe that will help her. It's good that she's so willing to try. That's the important thing, I think. You need to make sure you tell her how much it means to you that she is trying so hard. And maybe put a little extra into some of the things you do for her. I think that will encourage her to try even harder. Knowing how much swallowing means to my fiancee makes me want to do it more often.

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Also, to quote a friend and to add a bit, "any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that can't and WON'T!!"

Mikayla

Sorry Mikayla and Howard but considering the agruement here on swallowing Can't vs. Won"t I felt the quote needed to be changed to:

Any woman who can give a good blowjob AND swallows cum, can definitely steal away the man from a woman that CAN but WON'T.

Just to add that as in the past with this topic I am 50/50 on this matter. I do and have swallowed but if I just dont feel like it hubby understands. Its like anything else you dont have to ALWAYS DO IT to enjoy it etc.....I like to change things up so when I do want to swallow and I have hubby going with a great bj what a better surprise ending for him to cum in my mouth......he doesnt ALWAYS expect it and thats what I like.

Hrnychick

I agree! There is more to a relationship than just swallowing cum! I dont remember in my vows sayting that I will be sure and swallow your cum till death do us part! I have been with my husband for 11 YEARS WONDERFUL YEARS! Never been divorced, so I must be doing something right! Yes I can chug a beer, hell I even shoot whiskey, but there are times when I CANT swallow cum. My husband respects that because, he would much rather fuck me off than me suck him off and puke all over his cock! Yes I enjoy seeing the look of pleasure on my husbands face! Yes it turns me on but on the nights I CANT, if your good at what you do, then there are other ways to see the look of pleasure on your partners face. I like to change things up a little because correct me if Im wrong People, but I think there is a better chance of a spouse leaving you for getting tired of the same old stuff, then because you wont swallow! Come on now! So I agree with you all the way! You tell em girl!
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Let me respond to your comments, keeping in mind please that all opinions are welcome here, and this one is mine.

First, of course you didn't make a vow to swallow - but did you make a vow to love, honor and obey? I did, and in MY mind, part of loving my husband is loving ALL of him - including his cum. I am assuming that your hubby licks your cum - and doesn't complain - same principle. Actually, if we are talking just about the substance, when a man goes down on a woman, there is an almost constant stream of lubrication - when you go down on your man, you just get one shot at the end. So, men actually have more lubrication and "cum" to deal with.

Congratulations on your 11 year marriage - let me point out than in today's world, that is a wondeful hallmark to make. I have been married 10 years as well. I too am good at what I do.....very, very, very good. One of the things I am good at is giving head and swallowing. It has made me very well respected for that talent - ask any of my exes! :)

The truth is - actually the facts are - that more men leave or cheat on their spouses for the purpose of getting blowjobs in general and swallowing during blowjobs also. There was a study done, about 5 years back on this subject where cheating husbands commented. The overwhelming number, like 95% was that their wives wouldn't suck cock or swallow, making them feel dirty or unloved. The other mere 5% stated it was lack of sex totally or that they fell out of love.

Now, I don't know about you, but if you like sex and love your husband, why not give him the full benefit? Just my opinion.

You state that sometimes you CAN'T swallow and infer that if you did you would throw up on him. Honey, this is a mental block. There is nothing in cum that is foreign to you or that would cause a bad reaction unless you are anticipating it to. This is my point - all women CAN swallow, some CHOOSE not to. You are a chooser hon.

If you and your husband are satisfied, that is good for you, but in my relationships, and my marriage, I swallow. Why do I swallow? It is satisfying for me, it is satisfying for my hubby, because I love all of him, because I want to give him the maximum amount of pleasure I can muster when I am giving him the end all blowjob! Do I always swallow? No, depends on what we have going on. 99% of the time I do. He loves it - so do I!

While I am not trying to force people to do something that they do not want to do, I am simply saying AGAIN, that for those women who suck cock and who say that they "can't" swallow, they should just stand by the real reason - they "won't" or refuse to swallow. Listen, if it were me, I would just say it like it is and stand by it. In the end there is no one that has to deal with that decision but you and your partner. If you are both happy with it, then good for you.

Mikayla

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Let me respond to your comments, keeping in mind please that all opinions are welcome here, and this one is mine.

First, of course you didn't make a vow to swallow - but did you make a vow to love, honor and obey? I did, and in MY mind, part of loving my husband is loving ALL of him - including his cum. I am assuming that your hubby licks your cum - and doesn't complain - same principle. Actually, if we are talking just about the substance, when a man goes down on a woman, there is an almost constant stream of lubrication - when you go down on your man, you just get one shot at the end. So, men actually have more lubrication and "cum" to deal with.

Congratulations on your 11 year marriage - let me point out than in today's world, that is a wondeful hallmark to make. I have been married 10 years as well. I too am good at what I do.....very, very, very good. One of the things I am good at is giving head and swallowing. It has made me very well respected for that talent - ask any of my exes! :)

The truth is - actually the facts are - that more men leave or cheat on their spouses for the purpose of getting blowjobs in general and swallowing during blowjobs also. There was a study done, about 5 years back on this subject where cheating husbands commented. The overwhelming number, like 95% was that their wives wouldn't suck cock or swallow, making them feel dirty or unloved. The other mere 5% stated it was lack of sex totally or that they fell out of love.

Now, I don't know about you, but if you like sex and love your husband, why not give him the full benefit? Just my opinion.

You state that sometimes you CAN'T swallow and infer that if you did you would throw up on him. Honey, this is a mental block. There is nothing in cum that is foreign to you or that would cause a bad reaction unless you are anticipating it to. This is my point - all women CAN swallow, some CHOOSE not to. You are a chooser hon.

If you and your husband are satisfied, that is good for you, but in my relationships, and my marriage, I swallow. Why do I swallow? It is satisfying for me, it is satisfying for my hubby, because I love all of him, because I want to give him the maximum amount of pleasure I can muster when I am giving him the end all blowjob! Do I always swallow? No, depends on what we have going on. 99% of the time I do. He loves it - so do I!

While I am not trying to force people to do something that they do not want to do, I am simply saying AGAIN, that for those women who suck cock and who say that they "can't" swallow, they should just stand by the real reason - they "won't" or refuse to swallow. Listen, if it were me, I would just say it like it is and stand by it. In the end there is no one that has to deal with that decision but you and your partner. If you are both happy with it, then good for you.

Mikayla

Mikayla, first of all, let me apologize, you gave me fact about a man leaving a woman, which although I wish it werent that way, it is fact and I do aplolgize. Thank you for the info. And yes we are very lucky woman to hold on to the relationships we have this long. So congratulations to you as well!

I would also like to say that I am an avid watcher of your posts and they have helped spice things up a bit.

Let me also say that maybe I wasnt clear on my definition of CANT because I totally agree with you on the fact that it is choice, I simply meant that there are times where you CANT even if you are an avid swallower. For example if my husband eats something that gives a sour taste, I am not going to kill the mood and stop what I am doing and say, Im sorry honey your cum tastes like crap!

So I spologize, I shouldve been more clear. The post from Howard just got me going a bit!

I as well get satisfaction and arousal from giving a great blow job and 99% of the time swallow. So we have alot in common when it comes to pleasure and our partners!

Thanks for the great posts! And great advice!

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